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Hybrid cars: what is their real advantage over common cars?

Posted by: admin on Thursday, September 20th, 2007

Hybrid cars: what is their real advantage over common cars?We all hear that we should use hybrid cars, but why is that? I mean, what do you really get from using this type of car? We all know it’s about less fuel consumption and reduced pollution, but how do you get these?

A hybrid car (let’s say Toyota Prius, since it’s the poster car for the industry) is equipped with a thermic engine that uses petrol and an electric engine, powered by power cells. The car uses the electric engine while in cities (aprox. 50km autonomy), with almost no sound at all and and zero pollution.

When it is stopped (like on traffic lights) the engine can be turned on and off by pushing the, obviously, On/Off button. This means 5-10% less consumption.

Outside of the cities, the car uses the petrol engine which also refills the power cells.

If you take a good look at the hybrid cars, you will notice that the actual zero pollution happens when the car uses the electric engine, while the fuel consumption is less because of the stops, where you can turn the car off. But it should be obvious that the car doesn’t actually uses less petrol when it uses the petrol engine. It’s the same engine you would get on a common car.

So, if you take into consideration that the energy transformation efficiency for using the electrical engine (change thermal energy to mechanic energy then to electric energy then to refilling power cells which, finally, power the engine that moves the car) is lower than the efficiency of transforming thermal energy into mechanic energy to move the car, it can be observed that the hybrid car has, when it’s used both in and out of the city, a higher fuel/power consumption then a common car.

The main advantages of the hybrid car remain the on/off button, which translates in fuel savings at stops and the lack of noise and pollution in cities, when used on electric engine.

While no pollution is an important advantage, you should know that this comes to a price: around $40.000 for a Toyota Prius, almost double than a common car in the same class. Unfortunately, not all of us can and will make that “sacrifice” in order to preserve the planet.

Later edit: One of our readers (thanks, Wes) came to complete this article with some more information on the subject, more detailed and informed. Read all the comment below:

First of all, hybrid cars do not use their internal combustion engines (ICE’s) “outside the city” and their electric motors “inside the city.” It’s a complex interplay of the two most of the time, handled by an on-board computer that determines the most efficient mix.

Second, you don’t save energy at stops by pushing the “on/off button.” The on-board computer knows you’re stopped and shuts the ICE off for you. When you press the gas, it starts it back up (while getting you rolling using the electric motor).

Third, the efficiency gains don’t just come from shutting down the ICE at stops. They also come from regenerative braking (the car will use its own momentum during braking to spin the motors–rather than the other way around–turning them into generators which charge the batteries a little) and from the relative torque characteristics of the ICE vs. the electric motor.

That last part deserves a little more explanation. In a typical non-hybrid, ICE-powered car, you need an engine that’s powerful enough to get your car moving in all situations. Unfortunately, ICE’s are not very efficient at low speeds (in fact, they have a fairly narrow RPM range of efficient operation, that’s partly why you get more miles per gallon while driving fast down the highway than you do driving slow in the city). So in order to get moving from a stand-still, or accelerate at low speeds, you need several different gear ratios in your transmission and a bigger, less fuel efficient, more-polluting engine.

Electric motors, in contrast, have a much flatter torque curve. Their efficiency at low speeds is more similar to their efficiency at high speeds. This translates into the ability to generate lots of low-RPM torque to get you moving from a stand still or accelerating at low speeds.

The on-board computer is programmed to understand this and it uses the electric motor when it’s most efficient (lower speeds) and the ICE when it’s most efficient (higher speeds, or when it’s simply needed to charge the batteries a little) but often mixing the two (especially in Toyota’s “hybrid synergy drive”–which the example above, the Prius, uses in more recent model years). This also has the nice side effect of letting you get away with a smaller, lighter, more fuel efficient, less polluting ICE.

All of these factors combine to make hybrids more fuel efficient and less polluting than an ICE-powered car of the same size and weight.

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14 Responses to “Hybrid cars: what is their real advantage over common cars?”

Vlad said, on September 20th, 2007 at 7:44 am :

Hybrid cars will get more and more popular, which is good because it’s a shame what we do to this planet

Steve T said, on September 20th, 2007 at 8:55 am :

$40,000 for a Prius? Get real.

admin said, on September 20th, 2007 at 9:04 am :

@Vlad: this should happen

@Steve T: unfortunately, I am quite realistic :) I am in Europe and, on the base price (without any options) you have to add a hefty import tax and VAT. This will bring at least another $4000-$5000. Ad the price of the options and you might get there pretty quick.

Wes Morgan said, on September 21st, 2007 at 6:27 am :

This article is either ill-informed or disastrously over-simplified.

First of all, hybrid cars do not use their internal combustion engines (ICE’s) “outside the city” and their electric motors “inside the city.” It’s a complex interplay of the two most of the time, handled by an on-board computer that determines the most efficient mix.

Second, you don’t save energy at stops by pushing the “on/off button.” The on-board computer knows you’re stopped and shuts the ICE off for you. When you press the gas, it starts it back up (while getting you rolling using the electric motor).

Third, the efficiency gains don’t just come from shutting down the ICE at stops. They also come from regenerative braking (the car will use its own momentum during braking to spin the motors–rather than the other way around–turning them into generators which charge the batteries a little) and from the relative torque characteristics of the ICE vs. the electric motor.

That last part deserves a little more explanation. In a typical non-hybrid, ICE-powered car, you need an engine that’s powerful enough to get your car moving in all situations. Unfortunately, ICE’s are not very efficient at low speeds (in fact, they have a fairly narrow RPM range of efficient operation, that’s partly why you get more miles per gallon while driving fast down the highway than you do driving slow in the city). So in order to get moving from a stand-still, or accelerate at low speeds, you need several different gear ratios in your transmission and a bigger, less fuel efficient, more-polluting engine.

Electric motors, in contrast, have a much flatter torque curve. Their efficiency at low speeds is more similar to their efficiency at high speeds. This translates into the ability to generate lots of low-RPM torque to get you moving from a stand still or accelerating at low speeds.

The on-board computer is programmed to understand this and it uses the electric motor when it’s most efficient (lower speeds) and the ICE when it’s most efficient (higher speeds, or when it’s simply needed to charge the batteries a little) but often mixing the two (especially in Toyota’s “hybrid synergy drive”–which the example above, the Prius, uses in more recent model years). This also has the nice side effect of letting you get away with a smaller, lighter, more fuel efficient, less polluting ICE.

All of these factors combine to make hybrids more fuel efficient and less polluting than an ICE-powered car of the same size and weight.

Of course, you don’t have to take my word for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_car#Benefits

admin said, on September 21st, 2007 at 10:56 am :

Wes, thanks for the comment. I have to say the article is over-simplified and the things you added to are greatly appreciated. Can I add the info you provided on the original article?

Thanks,

greenfyre said, on September 21st, 2007 at 12:52 pm :

“… Norway is banning manufacturers from advertising a car’s green credentials. As far Norways’s Department of Truth (a.k.a. Consumer Ombudsman) is concerned, “cars cannot do anything good for the environment …”

“http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=5153

Wes Morgan said, on September 21st, 2007 at 10:57 pm :

Sure, go for it. :)

blogengeezer said, on September 23rd, 2007 at 11:44 am :

One note that bears attention. The dealer is far most often the owners only source of service for any problem that the owner may have, including collision damage. The highly disputed, proprietory information law, means that the dealer does not have to share any of the service information. If the vehicle is not thouroughly disabled through a sequence of interlocks, it can and will, drive itself without warning. The high amperage available from the battery will seriously injure, and in some cases kill any mechanic that inadvertantly forgets to disable the high current. Please take into consideration all of the aspects of ownership of these vehicles. They do have far more liabilities than is commonly perceived. Responsibility lies with the owner as any court of law will certainly teach an unsuspecting owner. http:blogengeezer.wordpress.com/

Best Hybrid Cars said, on October 8th, 2007 at 8:11 pm :

In the long run a hybrid car is worth it, think about all the money you’ll save on gas. Also hybrid cars are coming more common and cheaper!

admin said, on October 9th, 2007 at 3:08 am :

Well, I have to say I can hardly wait to ha ve a hybrid car the goes to 60 in 4s :D

grandpa len said, on November 22nd, 2007 at 3:23 pm :

well, i have an interest in a cal garage.
and, i have interest in making money for ME,
not just a dealer/ mfg concern.

the car MAY get super mpg, but what is the REAL price? has anyone constructed a 5 yr cost/ benefit spreadsheet for these doublepriced scooters?

money does NOT grow on trees; it must be earned.
i have some folks working on a c/b ratio for adding this ethanol to gas. it doesn’t look good.
it costs more to add ethanol than to run straight gas.

if some other accting types out there would like to crash heads and work with others [me included] on a REAL price, please, let me know.

gramps

lenbuckholtz@yahoo.com

car fanatic said, on March 10th, 2008 at 1:52 pm :

nextgen cars are hybrid cars :)

Dave said, on March 11th, 2008 at 3:11 am :

The cost of the hybrid car still is pretty high campared to a normal vehicle.
Although I would love to own one to help the planet, unfortunatly I cannot afford it.
Until prices come dowm I’ll just have to keep using my ole reliable gas gussler.

Dave

Hybrid Authority said, on March 19th, 2008 at 2:07 pm :

GM has a nice system on their hybrid cars where it uses less gas on start up, and Toyotas in europe and japan have an option to only use the electric motor. I just read of a hack to use this feature in US cars, since the feature is disabled in Toyota US Hybrids
I will post a link here for those interested.

http://daveblog.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/hacking-my-prius-1-m-l33t/

He has a good story there about how he installs it and where to get the hack, which is just a small circuit board.

 

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